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Doubts

08 Jun

Hello again!

This is what God gave me today in His word:

Now when John heard in prison about the deeds of the Christ, he sent word by his disciples and said to him, “Are you the one who is to come, or shall we look for another?” And Jesus answered them, “Go and tell John what you hear and see: the blind receive their sight and the lame walk, lepers are cleansed and the deaf hear, and the dead are raised up, and the poor have good news preached to them. (Matthew 11:2-5)

John, the very same John that proclaimed Jesus to be, “the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!” [John 1:29], is now having doubts. It can really be quite easy to trust in God during good times. When the sun is shining, and you’ve got every luxury that you could want, it’s easy to believe their’s some sort of benevolent God out there that’s looking out for you. Granted, John, the locust and honey eater, wasn’t exactly living the high life when he called Christ, “the Lamb of God”, but neither was he suffering too severely. He had food, clothes, and was fulfilling God’s will for His life. Which is more than many can claim. It’s the times of trial which God gives us when it can become difficult to believe God really cares.

Doubting God, whether it’s just doubting His promises, or doubting that He even exists, is a normal part of being a Christian. Jesus doesn’t rebuke John for his momentary bit of doubt, but instead, tells him that He is indeed the, “one who is to come”. Specifically, he told John’s disciples, who told John, “the blind receive their sight and the lame walk, lepers are cleansed and the deaf hear, and the dead are raised up, and the poor have good news preached to them.”

Now, we can add another thing to that list: the dead are raised up, the poor have good news preached to them, and we have been given grace immeasurable. Doubts are an unavoidable part of Christianity for both the old and young Christian, and can very seriously affect a Christian, but that doesn’t make them true. All we have to do is look at the five thousand that Jesus appeared before when He was Resurrection, to know that God most certainly is real, and that He without a doubt does fulfill His promises (God promised that a deliverer would come, and He did).

The point being this: All we have to do is look at the grace which we have received by Jesus’ death and Resurrection to have any doubts we may have be dispelled.

You are Loved!

Joshua Cleveland

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  1. Joshua Cleveland

    June 14, 2012 at 5:35 PM

    Note to everyone: I’ve recently gotten five comments on the subject of the trinity from this post. I ask that you please be patient as I work through them and attempt to answer them all.

    Thank you,

    Joshua

     
  2. Bijbelvorsers

    June 13, 2012 at 5:06 PM

    Why did God wait to save the people, and what is the good of such a charade when He would fake His death? What can God proof with that?

    It was up to a man to proof that there would be a creation to follow the Will of God. Jesus could sin (God cannot sin). It was of free choice that Jesus did not sin, though he was many times tempted (though God can not be tempted.)

    “and he (Jesus) was in the desert for forty days, being tempted by Satan. He was with the wild animals, and angels attended him.” (Mark 1:13 NIV) + Matthew Chapter 4

    “The law of the LORD (=Jehovah) is perfect, reviving the soul. The statutes of the LORD are trustworthy, making wise the simple.” (Psalms 19:7 NIV)

    “Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.” (Matthew 5:48 NIV)

    “”Speak to the entire assembly of Israel and say to them: ‘Be holy because I, the LORD (=Jehovah) your God, am holy.” (Leviticus 19:2 NIV)

     
    • Joshua Cleveland

      June 21, 2012 at 1:57 PM

      Hello,

      I apologize if I ever gave you the impression that Jesus faked His death, as for your question, “Why did God wait to save the people,” I’m a little confused. Do you think you could clarify what you mean? Thank you.

      Sir, Jesus could not sin. No where in Scripture do we ever see Him sinning. It’s true that He was tempted, but since when was being tempted a sin? Also, since when did the Bible say that God cannot be tempted? All men are tempted, and Jesus was a man. All men also sin, yet Jesus did not sin, because He was both fully God and fully man. No man, I don’t care how much free will he does or does not have, will sin if He isn’t stopped from doing so. We can’t will ourself not to sin, it simply is not possible.

      Also, none of the verses you quoted says that God cannot be tempted, simply that he cannot sin.

      In closing, this verse states, in no uncertain terms, and crystal clearly, that Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and God the Father are all one being:

      7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. (1 John 5:7)

      14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.

      15 (John testified concerning him. He cried out, saying, “This is the one I spoke about when I said, ‘He who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’”) (John 1:14-15)

      Joshua

       
  3. marcusampe

    June 13, 2012 at 4:50 PM

    Dear Joshua you wrote: “You say that God did not come Himself into the World, I’d really appreciate it if you could show me the verse/s which say that. Also, you claimed that God is a Spirit, and I’d appreciate Scriptural proof of that as well,”

    About the fact that Jesus did not came by himself on earth I answered this in my previous reply, where you could find in the beginning of the Gospels the story of the beginning of Jesus and how he was placed by the force of God in the womb of the virgin fiancée of Joseph.

    We can find a “man [that is] born of a woman [is] of few days, and full of trouble.” (Job 14:1 Webster) of whom Isaiah predicted: “for to us a child is born, to us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called wonderful, counselor, the mighty god, the everlasting father, the prince of peace.” (Isaiah 9:6 Webster)

    There were many gods remember, because the word means ‘mighty person’ or person of importance’. Today we still find the sport gods and filmstars being called and often also honoured as gods.

    Jesus came into existence, being born out of a woman, by the Power of God. “and the angel answered and said to her, the holy spirit shall come on you, and [the] power of [the] highest shall overshadow you. therefore also that holy [one] which will be born of you shall be called son of god.” (Luke 1:35 MKJV)

    “and Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.” (Matthew 1:16 Webster)

    “now the birth of Jesus Christ was in this manner: when his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child by the holy spirit. then Joseph her husband, being a just [man], and not willing to make her a public example, purposed to put her away privately. but while he thought on these things, the angel of the lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take to thee Mary thy wife: ~~~ for that which is conceived in her is by the holy spirit. ~~~ and she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken from the lord by the prophet, saying, behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, god with us.” (Matthew 1:18-23 Webster)

    “and in the sixth month, the angel Gabriel was sent from god to a city of Galilee, named Nazareth, to a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin’s name [was] Mary. and the angel came to her, and said, hail, [thou that art] highly favored, the lord [is] with thee: blessed [art] thou among women. and when she saw [him], she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. and the angel said to her, fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favor with god. and behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. he will be great, and will be called the son of the highest; and the lord god will give to him the throne of his father David. and he will reign over the house of Jacob for ever, and of his kingdom there will be no end. then said Mary to the angel, how shall this be, seeing I know not a man? and the angel answered and said to her, the holy spirit will come upon thee, and the power of the highest will overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the son of god. and behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age; and this is the sixth month with her who was called barren: for with god nothing will be impossible. and Mary said, behold the handmaid of the lord, be it to me according to thy word. and the angel departed from her.” (Luke 1:26-38 Webster)

    “for to you is born this day, in the city of David, a savior, who is Christ the lord.” (Luke 2:11 Webster)

    All those thing written down in the Holy Scriptures are there to let us know who is the Saviour and the promised Messiah and to give us a clear picture of whom is who, God the Father and our mediator, His son and not in disguise as a man: “but these which have been recorded are here so that you may trust that Yeshua is the Messiah, the son of god, and that by this trust you may have life because of who he is.” (John 20:31 CJB)

    I do hope these are already enough proofs from the Holy Scriptures that it was God who placed Jesus in a woman. Afterwards He kept guiding this woman and her husband as well their sons, of which some came to follow Christ Jesus to let the world know that this man from Nazareth was the Son of God, born for all sinners, to bring for us an offer to God to buy us free.

    “even as the son of man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life a ransom for many.” (Matthew 20:28 MKJV)

    “christ redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us (for it is written, “cursed [is] everyone having been hanged on a tree”);” (Galatians 3:13 MKJV)

    “nor did we seek glory from men, neither from you nor from others, being able to be [so] with heaviness, as apostles of christ.” (1 Thessalonians 2:6 MKJV)

     
  4. marcusampe

    June 13, 2012 at 4:25 PM

    When God speaks He speaks as the Eternal and Highest person, King of King of Kings. As any King today still uses the Majestic Plural, that is used for God when He is speaking. Though when there is written what God does, the writer (Moses and others) use the singular because He is only one person.

    “Those bearing witness are three”: KJV adds, “in the earth.” or there could be written in paraphrase: “Three witnesses confirm testimony.”

    If you check in an interlinear, there are no corresponding words beginning at The Father and ending with the Holy Spirit. These words were added to the manuscripts by Roman Catholic monks and were not in the original texts.

    But even with those words there is still the same meaning: The triple testimony is brought by God the Father Himself (who is a spirit) and is confirmed by His Word (the Word) by which everything is being created. This Word can be heard and can come to the world by the Force of God (which is the Holy Spirit). Word is the sound and letters brought forth by the Force (Holy Spirit) of the Holy Spirit the Elohim Hashem God, who is Jehovah.
    Please do compare verse 8 of the same chapter of John and do you think the Water and the Blood are God as well? what it says is that “the three are in agreement” (NIV) or ‘the three are into the one.” (MKJV)

    1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in Heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.
    1 John 5:8 And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, and the water, and the blood; and these three agree in one.

    That Jesus also would agree with His Father is also as clear as clean water. He knew His Father very well because he had grown up in a very religious family. He got to know the Torah very well.
    When the son of God says “I and the father are one.”” (John 10:30 CJB) he points out that he is on the same wavelength as his Father. Like you can feel, think and react in the same way as your father or mother you can be one with your father, mother or even with your church organisation or company. With many friends you can be united to form a club or a band. Certainly in the arts you have to be one to get a good performance. But it does not mean you are all the same person.

    When I was a small child I often played Jesus in processions or school plays. Though people said they saw Jesus, I was neither Jesus the Messiah nor God. As actor-dancer I also performed many characters and had to be “one” with the person I had to present, but surely I do hope you understand that I was not that person.

    Jesus presented his Father here on earth; As the spokesman of God, he as any spokesman of a company had to be in union with that company, so Jesus in unity with God.
    But Jesus was very well aware he could no the same things as God and was lower than the Almighty. Jesus even did not know the time when he would come back to the earth, or the endtimes in which he would play an important role.

    “therefore, Yeshua (Jesus) said this to them: “yes, indeed! I tell you that the son cannot do anything on his own, but only what he sees the father doing; whatever the father does, the son does too.” (John 5:19 CJB)

    “you heard me tell you, ‘I am leaving, and I will come back to you.’ if you loved me, you would have been glad that I am going to the father; because the father is greater than I.” (John 14:28 CJB)

    “but I want you to understand that the head of every man is the Messiah, and the head of a wife is her husband, and the head of the Messiah is god.” (1 Corinthians 11:3 CJB)

    “now when everything has been subjected to the son, then he will subject himself to god, who subjected everything to him; so that god may be everything in everyone.” (1 Corinthians 15:28 CJB)

    The man of whom the Holy Spirit took care that he was placed in the womb of a woman (the virgin Mary) brought to the people the words that God was saying that this man from Nazareth was His beloved only begotten son.

    “the angel said to her, “don’t be afraid, Miryam, for you have found favor with god. look! you will become pregnant, you will give birth to a son, and you are to name him Yeshua. he will be great, he will be called son of \@Ha‘elyon\@. \@ADONAI\@, god, will give him the throne of his forefather David; and he will rule the house of Ya‘akov forever—there will be no end to his kingdom.” “how can this be,” asked Miryam of the angel, “since I am a virgin?” the angel answered her, “the \@Ruach haKodesh\@ will come over you, the power of \@Ha‘elyon\@ will cover you. therefore the holy child born to you will be called the son of god.” (Luke 1:30-35 CJB)

    “but we do see Yeshua – who indeed was made for a little while lower than the angels – now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by god’s grace he might taste death for all humanity.” (Hebrews 2:9 CJB)

    “therefore, since the children share a common physical nature as human beings, he became like them and shared that same human nature; so that by his death he might render ineffective the one who had power over death (that is, the adversary)” (Hebrews 2:14 CJB)

    “this is why he had to become like his brothers in every respect – so that he might become a merciful and faithful \@cohen gadol\@ in the service of god, making a \@kapparah\@ for the sins of the people.” (Hebrews 2:17 CJB)

    “but when the appointed time arrived, god sent forth his son. he was born from a woman, born into a culture in which legalistic perversion of the \@torah\@ was the norm,” (Galatians 4:4 CJB)

    “while all the people were being immersed, Yeshua too was immersed. as he was praying, heaven was opened; the \@Ruach haKodesh\@ came down on him in physical form like a dove; and a voice came from heaven, “you are my son, whom I love; I am well pleased with you.” Yeshua was about thirty years old when he began his public ministry. it was supposed that he was a son of Yosef who was of eli,” (Luke 3:21-23 CJB)

    “how god anointed Yeshua from Natzeret with the \@Ruach\@ \@haKodesh\@ and with power; how Yeshua went about doing good and healing all the people oppressed by the adversary, because god was with him.” (Acts 10:38 CJB)

    Do you think God was or is lower than angels? No. But Jesus was. Why this contradiction. And why did the angel said unto Mary: “for thou hast found {1} favor with God. {1) Or [grace]} And behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Most High”?(Luke 1:30-35 ASV) and did he not say God shall come into you so that He can come onto the earth as a human person?

    God owns everything, so why would He have to give Himself something which He already owns? Though Jehovah the Lord God “shall give unto him the throne of his father David: and he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever;”. Notice the future sense: it is something which still has to happen, though God is already the King of the kings and Lord of lords. And when Jesus was going to become the King of kings His Father stayed the King of the King of kings. Jesus also was going to sit at the right hand of his Father and is going to hand over the Kingdom back to his Father. If Jesus is his Father such saying does not make any sense.

    The Holy Spirit came upon Mary (Miriam), and the power of the Most High overshadow her and her son, “the holy thing which is begotten” and “shall be called the Son of God”.

    When this man who has been made a little lower than the angels, was baptised the heaven was opened, and the Ruach haKodesh or Holy Spirit (God His Force or His being) descended in a bodily form, as a dove, upon him, and a voice came out of heaven, “Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.” (Luke 3:21-23 ASV) Would you consider God a lier? (God can not lie) When God always says the Truth, why does He not say directly “Look here I am in the form of a man, this is Me.”?

    “and a voice from heaven said, “this is my son, whom I love; I am well pleased with him.”” (Matthew 3:17 CJB)

    “while he was still speaking, a bright cloud enveloped them; and a voice from the cloud said, “this is my son, whom I love, with whom I am well pleased. listen to him!”” (Matthew 17:5 CJB)

    “then a voice came from heaven, “you are my son, whom I love; I am well pleased with you.”” (Mark 1:11 CJB)

    “for we were there when he received honor and glory from god the father; and the voice came to him from the grandeur of the \@sh’khinah\@, saying, “this is my son, whom I love; I am well pleased with him!”” (2 Peter 1:17 CJB)

    “but he, full of the \@Ruach haKodesh\@, looked up to heaven and saw god’s \@sh’khinah\@, with Yeshua standing at the right hand of god.” (Acts 7:55 CJB)

    So you have the Force of God, (this time) the Eyes of God (the Holy Spirit) who sees Jesus (Jeshua) sitting next to God the Father (Jehovah). If they are both one person and Jesus is back into heaven, he would be the Only One in Heaven again and sit at the same place as the Elohim (=Only One)

    Clearly on erth we hear speaking about two different persons: a Father (the everlasting most High of everything and every one), a son [a human being who was been born = had a beginning; can die (has an end)] who was lower than angels but has been raised from the death and placed in a higher position as the most High priest and mediator between God and men.
    How can a person mediate with himself on behalf of somebody else? Yes he can think about it, but there is the Holy Spirit (the way of thinking of God), so why an other person who is not an other person?

    “for god is one; {#de 6:4} and there is but one mediator between god and humanity, Yeshua the Messiah, himself human,” (1 Timothy 2:5 CJB)

    “but now the work Yeshua has been given to do is far superior to theirs, just as the covenant he mediates is better. for this covenant has been given as \@torah\@ on the basis of better promises.” (Hebrews 8:6 CJB)

    “to the mediator of a new covenant, Yeshua; and to the sprinkled blood that speaks better things than that of Hevel.” (Hebrews 12:24 CJB)

     
  5. Christadelphians

    June 12, 2012 at 1:38 PM

    “But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and truth: {1} for such doth the Father seek to be his worshippers. {1) Or [for such the Father also seeketh]} {1} God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship in spirit and truth. {1) Or [God is spirit]}” (John 4:23-24 ASV)

    This Spirit (God) says about the man standing on earth:“and lo, a voice out of the heavens, saying, {1} This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. {1) Or [This is my Son; my beloved in whom I am well pleased.] See Mt 12:18}” (Matthew 3:17 ASV)

    Never says God “This is I, having come down on the world”.

    Also the son never claims to be God, because he knows he even does not know the hour when he will be coming back, and can not do anything without his Father:
    “Ye heard how I said to you, I go away, and I come unto you. If ye loved me, ye would have rejoiced, because I go unto the Father: for the Father is greater than I.” (John 14:28 ASV)

    “Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father doing: for what things soever he doeth, these the Son also doeth in like manner.” (John 5:19 ASV)

    Jesus also went up to his Father were he is sitting not on His throne but next to the Creator of heaven and earth: Elohim (=The Only One) Hashem, who is being higher than him Jesus:

    “And when all things have been subjected unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subjected to him that did subject all things unto him, that God may be all in all.” (1 Corinthians 15:28 ASV)

    “He saith unto them, My cup indeed ye shall drink: but to sit on my right hand, and on [my] left hand, is not mine to give; but [it is for them] for whom it hath been prepared of my Father.” (Matthew 20:23 ASV)

    “And he charged us to preach unto the people, and to testify that this is he who is ordained of God [to be] the Judge of the living and the dead.” (Acts 10:42 ASV)

    You also can see that the apostles believed that all things have been put under him Jesus who is been called the son of God who himself has become subject to Him, the Most High that put all things under him and who gives also the apostles insight because as with the Master (Jesus) they have been prepared by Jesus his Father, who had appointed his son (Jesus) to be judge of the living and the dead. so it is not God who is going to judge the people at the Last Day after the Apocalypse, but the Lamb of God = Jeshua (Jesus)

     
  6. marcusampe

    June 10, 2012 at 3:13 PM

    Dear Joshua, have a clear look on what John proclaims Jesus to be, “the Lamb of God” and not “the Lam God”. From your text you give the impression you mix God and the son of God, which are two different persons. Jesus is not the son God but the son of God. (Do you notice the difference?) Though you correctly recognise that Jesus really suffered too severely.and that he was was fulfilling God’s will for his life (I do hope you mean and not “His life” like you wrote indicating to God?) Jesus really died while God can not die. Jesus was resurrected from the dead, having been three days in sheol or the hell (which is the grave).
    It is important that we know that God promised that a deliverer would come, and He did by sending Christ Jesus to the world. He did not come Himself but took care a son was born out of a virgin (= beginning of Jesus) The death of Jesus and his resurrection is the wonder which is been given as an example to what can happen also to us. A person who cannot die, as God who is a spirit, can not resurrect from a position in which he can not be. God is also an honest God, so He would not fake and does not lie. He clearly said about Jesus: “This Is my beloved son, the only begotten.” A Christian should also listen to the words of the one they say to follow, which is Christ Jesus, the Messiah, who said that he is lower than his Father and that we should hope and pray to his Father, not to him.

     
    • Joshua Cleveland

      June 12, 2012 at 3:19 AM

      Hello Mr. Ampe, thank you for stopping by and dropping your comment.

      There have been several things in which I’ve been proven to be wrong, and if you can show me a verse in Scripture which says that Jesus is only the son of God, and not God, then I will be happy to reconsider my point of view. However, for the time being, I believe the Trinity is one of the most Scripturely supported doctrines in the Bible. I hope you review the following verses, as I have reviewed the arguments you’ve presented to me; with an open mind. I will address your arguments after the following verses:

      26 Then God said, “Let us [plural] make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a]and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

      27 So God [singular] created mankind in his own image,
      in the image of God he created them;
      male and female he created them. (Genesis 1:26-27)

      7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. (1 John 5:7)

      The next three verses are Jesus speaking:

      30 I and My Father are one.”
      31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. (John 10:30-31)

      38 but if I do, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, that you may know and believe[a] that the Father is in Me, and I in Him.” (John 10:38)

      45 And he who sees Me sees Him who sent Me. (John 12:45)

      These are only a few of the many verses. If you would like, I can show you more.

      I believe the verses are fairly self-explanatory, and I’ll be happy to debate their meaning with you if you so wish. But, now onto what you said in your actual comment:

      “Dear Joshua, have a clear look on what John proclaims Jesus to be, “the Lamb of God” and not “the Lam God”. From your text you give the impression you mix God and the son of God, which are two different persons. Jesus is not the son God but the son of God. (Do you notice the difference?)”

      Yes, Marcus, I notice the difference. However, I believe John 10:30-31; 38, and John 12:45 contradict what you’re saying. Its impossible for us to wrap our minds around such a concept, but Jesus was both fully God, and fully man. Please review this sermon: http://www.newlife3.org/sermons/godhuman.htm

      “Though you correctly recognise that Jesus really suffered too severely.and that he was was fulfilling God’s will for his life (I do hope you mean and not “His life” like you wrote indicating to God?) Jesus really died while God can not die. Jesus was resurrected from the dead, having been three days in sheol or the hell (which is the grave).”

      To answer your question, I did purposefully write with a capital “H”, in order to use proper grammar in referring to God. Yes, Jesus did die, while God cannot die. That’s fully true. And being fully human, He died as any other human being would. However, He could not stay dead, because He is also fully God; thus three days later, He rises again, and defeats death.

      “It is important that we know that God promised that a deliverer would come, and He did by sending Christ Jesus to the world. He did not come Himself but took care a son was born out of a virgin (= beginning of Jesus) The death of Jesus and his resurrection is the wonder which is been given as an example to what can happen also to us. A person who cannot die, as God who is a spirit, can not resurrect from a position in which he can not be. God is also an honest God, so He would not fake and does not lie. He clearly said about Jesus: “This Is my beloved son, the only begotten.””

      You say that God did not come Himself into the World, I’d really appreciate it if you could show me the verse/s which say that. Also, you claimed that God is a Spirit, and I’d appreciate Scriptural proof of that as well, and the last thing I’d like Scriptural evidence for, is you say, “The death of Jesus and his resurrection is the wonder which is been given as an example to what can happen also to us.” I’m afraid I don’t understand this; are you saying we can also die and be Resurrected for the sins of the World? Thank you. As to your actual arguments, I agree that no one can Resurrect from a state in which they cannot be. It’s a physical impossibility. And yet, if we once again take into account Jesus’ dual nature; being both fully man and fully God, He most certainly could die and rise again. All humans can die. And yet, being fully God, He could not die, as you pointed out. Thus, His Resurrection. I agree of course that God is an honest God, and that Jesus didn’t fake His death. Also, I agree that God says that Christ is His beloved Son. However, the Son is also the Father, as 1 John 5:7 tells us.

      “A Christian should also listen to the words of the one they say to follow, which is Christ Jesus, the Messiah, who said that he is lower than his Father and that we should hope and pray to his Father, not to him.”

      While He was fully God, and fully the Holy Spirit, He was also fully the Son. The son, taught us to pray to the Father, because we needed a means of communicating with Him. He Himself prayed, because as a human, He also needed a means of communicating with God. Again with Jesus being made lower than the Father, we see His dual nature. Being Human, we made a little lower than the angels.

      I appreciate your point of view, and I hope you’re able to see mine as well.

      Thank you,

      Joshua

       
      • marcusampe

        June 13, 2012 at 5:38 PM

        I looked at the file were they talked about the divinity of Jesus and consider it to be proof that he is God. But when we do have to become as divine as Jesus would it than mean that we all become God as well?

        The text says:”Several verses call Jesus divine”. In this world we do find enough people having written over people they knew having them called “divine”. My wife may be divine, but I am sure you can agree she is not God. I also love eating divine chocolate, but I never it considering eating God or taking God to me, like Catholics consider think God into them by eating the bread in the Eucharist.

        Jesus is repeatedly given divine honours and titles, but you should compare them with the honours and titles of Jesus. They are not the same. Please do find: https://sites.google.com/site/belgianchristadelphians/attributestogod and compare them to the attributes given to Christ Jesus: https://sites.google.com/site/belgianchristadelphians/eigenhedenaanjezustoegeschreven

        The text is not right in saying “Jesus accepted worship, even though it is inappropriate for people to worship any created being. Jesus is the Creator, not a created being. Even as a human, he was worthy of worship.”
        Jesus clearly prayed himself to His Father and did ask others to do so as well:

        ““away with you, Satan!” Yeshua told him, “for the \@Tanakh\@ says, ‘worship \@ADONAI\@ your god, and serve only him.’” {#de 6:13-14}” (Matthew 4:10 CJB)
        Then יהושע (Jeshua) said to him, “Go, Satan! For it has been written, ‘You shall worship יהוה (Jehovah) your Elohim, and Him alone you shall serve.’ ”1 Footnote: 1Dt. 6:13.
        (Matthew 4:10 The Scriptures 1998+)

        This passage forbids every kind of religious adoration to any other object than Jehovah, whether it be idols, false gods, popes, Virgin Mary, saints, or angels.

        “Fear יהוה your Elohim. Serve Him, and cling to Him, and swear by His Name. “He is your praise, and He is your Elohim, who has done for you these great and awesome deeds which your eyes have seen. ” (Deuteronomy 10:20-21 The Scriptures 1998+)

        “This, then, is the way you should pray: ‘Our Father who is in the heavens, let Your Name be set-apart, let Your reign come, let Your desire be done on earth as it is in heaven.
        (Matthew 6:9-10 The Scriptures 1998+)

        After Jesus had done miracles he said to the people not to thank him but his father by whom it was made possible.

        Then Pilate said to Him, “You are a sovereign, then?” יהושע (Jeshua) answered, “You say it, because I am a sovereign. For this I was born, and for this I have come into the world, that I should bear witness to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice.”
        (John 18:37 The Scriptures 1998+)

        There are many other unscriptural passages in that text, which would demand more pages.

        But let us remember that is written in the Holy Scriptures:
        “The one who does not love does not know Elohim, for Elohim is love. By this the love of Elohim was manifested in us, that Elohim has sent His only brought-forth Son into the world, in order that we might live through Him. ” (1 John 4:8-9 The Scriptures 1998+)

        Is that not clear enough that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world, in order that we might live through Him?

         
  7. gnconnection

    June 8, 2012 at 5:00 PM

    Thanks for sharing! I like how Jesus closed out in verse 6: “And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me.” John’s doubt also caused him to feel offended by what he was going through.

     
    • Joshua Cleveland

      June 9, 2012 at 2:28 PM

      I hadn’t ever thought of verse six in that way; that John may have actually been offended by what he was going through. Thank’s for the new thought. 🙂

      Joshua

       
      • gnconnection

        June 9, 2012 at 10:36 PM

        You’re welcome!

         

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